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Cyberdevil

Happy New Year! 2013 was pretty good, but 2014 is going to be way better. Nice to see the new RTE put to so good use, I'm definitely going to try including some linked thumbnails in future posts, this could be used for entire galleries, like a collection of WIP projects all linked to the dump hmm...

Yeah, there's so much good stuff out there! I stumbled upon some submission from 2007 that didn't have more than a single review, and wasn't that bad either. Gems indeed.

Whirlguy

Hey thanks! I'd actually love to display these images as a table. That way I would be able to add titles at the bottom in an orderly fashion. I bet you've got plenty of gems to show! I'm very curious to things you'd put in your post.

Cyberdevil

Oh, well I was thinking of other uses for this thumbnail approach, most gems I stumble upon I watch, review and then forget about.... but next time I'll be sure to save the link!

Tables would be cool. If there was an option to toggle between visual editor and raw code... and use pure HTML (with some dangerous tags excluded, of course)... this could be used for so much! Only thing I don't like about this update are the orange borders around all images, I used to add backgrounds the same color as the layout background so the images would look transparent. Not possible any longer!

Whirlguy (Updated )

Ah yes, I see what you mean. I used to do that as well. Something else I dislike is how entering a new line of text shows up as a separate paragraph. Also, it would be nice to have indentation! And of course a way to preview the page.

I don't think many people would make use of tables, so I don't think they should have to be implemented, but if they were, this online text editor called Textile would be the way to go. It allows people to add headers, tables, and much more. It even allows css coding! Perfect for Newgrounds I'd say (except for maybe the fact that you can fuck with the positioning and make your content float in different parts of the screen :P).

Cyberdevil

Pressing shift + enter should give a regular line break, if that's what you mean? Indentation would definitely be nice though!

Haha, yeah, one of the dangers with allowing too much. Floats are probably already used to align the images... but if they could disallow attributes like position all should be possible. According to liljim there are plenty of features in the RTE, they just implemented the more important ones. It looks a bit like TinyMCE, maybe that's what they're using. Isn't Textile a markup language btw?

Whirlguy (Updated )

Yeah, that's right. It's a markup language which can be used as a text editor. I'm not sure if it's possible to put restrictions on it, but I do think it's really versatile. Also, thanks for telling me how to use the regular break, I had no idea!

I see that TinyMCE uses tables. That's pretty neat! It would completely defeat the purpose of the Textile language, lol. I wonder why they wouldn't give us the full package though.

Cyberdevil

Oh, right. First thought was it was a different programming language and might not work well with PHP/SQL, but looks like it's more like BBCode. No problem, I've gotten pretty used to TinyMCE with WordPress and other platforms. :)

Trying to keep it simple I guess, or some of the site code clashes with that of the editor. Or they're all for CSS and don't want to use maybe-soon-to-be-deprecated HTML tables for layout grids. :) Though it could be done in CSS too. I guess textile doesn't support tables since it's not supported with strict XHTML.

Whirlguy (Updated )

"Or they're all for CSS and don't want to use maybe-soon-to-be-deprecated HTML tables for layout grids."

I'm not too sure where you were going with this. CSS merely enables one to enhance existent HTML elements. The images we add in the RTE are being converted to HTML elements at the moment we press submit, and the same would go for tables. Or do you suppose they keep the options for new elements to a minimum, and focus on changing the appearance instead? I think the array of options would be bigger, if that were it.

Either way, I can't imagine some of the RTE options clashing with the rest of the page, seeing as it is pretty much being sandboxed into one single area of the page. Even if the output comes out faulty, it shouldn't be too hard to fix.

As for those textile codes; I believe they're compatible with XHTML. But then again, I'm not sure.

Cyberdevil

True, HTML is for structure and CSS is for style, but compared to layout grids made up of <div> tags rather than <table>, the latter is overly complex, relying on separate tags for each row or column whereas you can create an eternal number of content rows and columns with the same tag using divs, the latter take up much less space, and are much more flexible. Divs can be used for responsive layouts, to order grid elements differently depending on screen resolution for example, whereas tables have a fixed set of columns and rows, you can change the size but not the order or amount only through styling. Or maybe you meant tables in general, not the tag? I just assume table = table tag. :/ Yeah, true.

As for keeping it simple, I meant a lot of users probably don't know how to use some of the more advanced options, keeping a minimalistic sortie with only that which is relevant for everyone might be what they're trying to do.

Yeah, maybe.

Your right, I read that on WikiPedia too. It uses strict XHTML, which I don't think supports the table tag.

Whirlguy (Updated )

I see what you mean. The flexibility of <div> elements are definitely the way forward when it comes to webdesign! And yet I meant to say <table>, since we were talking blog content, and I see no need for flexible shifting when all I need is a simple framework with fixed cells. But who knows what those daft admins are thinking ;)

Leaving out options seems a little silly. Microsoft Word has many options I have never used, and yet I use it to write my documents just fine. Just saying it's nice to have the options available. Oh, and after a bit of reading on wikipedia, I think I found out the reason why those tables won't work. Textile probably omits the <tbody> tag, which is mandatory in XHTML. This is me speculating though.

Cyberdevil

Just imagine if someone scales down this window! With divs, the thumbnails could move below each other to form a list. With a table, the entire grid would be scaled down and much harder to see on say a smart phone. Not that I'd use anything but a computer to actively visit this place, but I hear that some people... do. :P

Yeah, I think so too, a lot of those features could come in handy! Alas, we can but wonder at the mysterious reasons for their workings on keeping features toned down! :O Or ask.. btw, as far as textile goes, it IS using strict xhtml for its markup language, don't think that's the reason since the output is placed between body tags (and that's what supposed to be valid) but looks like I was talking jibberish about tables not being allowed in strict XHTML btw, they're just a bit more limited. Maybe they just don't see a large demand for it.

Whirlguy

True, the upcoming redesign will be mobile friendly and having tables would be absolutely awful. I hadn't thought about that! Everything is starting to make sense now :)

The possibilities that textile provide would have been a cool addition to the blogs a couple of years ago. But right now, I feel that it's a very outdated piece of markup language. Still, it is pretty cool to know that it corresponds with XHTML.

Cyberdevil

So it's all falling into place huh... just like divs. :D

Yeah, for a while XHTML seemed to be the future, and now with HTML5 we have to re-learn everything again. ARGH! True that.

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